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Does your Post sell or give Special Memberships ?

Social Member - Explain
0 (0%)
Club member - Explain
0 (0%)
Associate member - Explain
1 (8.3%)
Honorary Member - Explain
0 (0%)
Courtesy Member - Explain
0 (0%)
Other - Explain
1 (8.3%)
NO
10 (83.3%)

Total Members Voted: 8

Voting closed: July 02, 2007, 04:35:16 am

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Offline DoggyDaddy

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Special VFW Membership Cards
« on: April 03, 2007, 04:35:16 am »
From my personal experience, I have seen Social and other special memberships at VFWs primarily in the north east in small towns away from military bases.   ???  What say you?  8)
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Re: Special VFW Membership Cards
« Reply #1 on: April 03, 2007, 08:03:08 am »
We have associate members that can use the lounge and attend Post functions (intallation, parties, etc.) but they are NOT allowed to attend meetings and have no voice or vote in what happens at our Post. I for one would like to see it go away.
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Re: Special VFW Membership Cards
« Reply #2 on: April 03, 2007, 08:23:54 am »
 >:(  There is only one type of membership in the VFW!!!  All others are GUESTS!!!  The issuance of outlaw cards or memberships is not permitted by the VFW!!!

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Re: Special VFW Membership Cards
« Reply #3 on: April 03, 2007, 08:28:42 am »
As I said before (before it was all lost) that during my travels the North (PA, NY, WVA, OH) have "Associate Members" for the "bars" and The South (NC,TX,TN,SC) normally do not.
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Re: Special VFW Membership Cards
« Reply #4 on: April 03, 2007, 08:31:46 am »
>:(  There is only one type of membership in the VFW!!!  All others are GUESTS!!!  The issuance of outlaw cards or memberships is not permitted by the VFW!!!
They are not associate members in the VFW, they are associate members in the Lounge. The VFW (National) has nothing to do with the Lounge.
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Re: Special VFW Membership Cards
« Reply #5 on: April 03, 2007, 08:36:04 am »
That becomes an IRS/State problem. You stand to lose your 501(c)(19) status. :o
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Re: Special VFW Membership Cards
« Reply #6 on: April 03, 2007, 08:36:59 am »
We are within the limits of both of them.
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Re: Special VFW Membership Cards
« Reply #7 on: April 03, 2007, 08:41:10 am »
If the card says VFW or has the emblem on it you are in violation of the by-laws.
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Re: Special VFW Membership Cards
« Reply #8 on: April 03, 2007, 08:44:05 am »
They don't have the emblem or say VFW on it.
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Re: Special VFW Membership Cards
« Reply #9 on: April 03, 2007, 08:47:08 am »
 ;D  At the Post I belong to, the lounge is operated for the benefit of the Post members and their BONA FIDE GUESTS!  Our lounge does not have memberships(?)  All guests names must appear on a guest register with the name of the sponsoring Post member written beside it.  This is strictly enforced due to an IRS audit two years ago.  Post members have the right of appeal to the Post membership for their conduct infractions in the lounge, guests do not.  I guess I don't understand the concept of "lounge memberships".

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Re: Special VFW Membership Cards
« Reply #10 on: May 16, 2007, 08:29:25 pm »
Wouldn't it just be easier to have “social members” joint the post as auxiliary members? Nearly everybody has somebody in their family that makes them eligible.

I kind of see the reasoning behind "social members" prior to the existence of the men's auxiliary but now “social members” sound like nothing more than a potential problem for posts.

From what I’ve read in the by-laws the rules on membership are pretty black and white…  ::)

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Re: Special VFW Membership Cards
« Reply #11 on: May 16, 2007, 08:52:44 pm »
True, but our Post does not have enough people that are interested in joining the Mens Auxiliary and the women who are ineligible to join the Ladies Auxiliary can join as an associate member of the lounge. I don't like the associate member program and I am going to try over the next two years to get it disbanded. It all came about because the last lounge manager that we had would let people in because the guy before him chased everyone away.
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Re: Special VFW Membership Cards
« Reply #12 on: May 16, 2007, 09:43:10 pm »
Hey guys,
There are only three types of memberships in the VFW.  They are Members at Large (MAL), Post, and Auxiliary  (Mens & Ladies).  No Social, No Associate, and no other kind. 
It does not matter what the membership or house committee may have voted for or what the club manager may want.  Illegal motions and illegal memberships are that, illegal. PERIOD.

« Last Edit: May 16, 2007, 09:45:49 pm by DoggyDaddy »
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Re: Special VFW Membership Cards
« Reply #13 on: May 16, 2007, 11:44:28 pm »
 ;)  Dennis: You are absolutely right about membership being black and white in our National by-laws, and DD:  I must agree with you re: illegal motions with regards to outlaw memberships.  Why any LEGITIMATE guest of a VFW couldn't sign a guest book on entering a post-operated lounge is beyond me!

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Re: Special VFW Membership Cards
« Reply #14 on: May 17, 2007, 05:55:26 pm »
I'm sure people would become interested in joining your post's auxilairies if the post stopped honoring "social memberships". Do you dislike the auxiliaries organizations at your post or the whole concept of auxiliaries?

Also, how do the other members of your post feel about these issues?  ???

True, but our Post does not have enough people that are interested in joining the Mens Auxiliary and the women who are ineligible to join the Ladies Auxiliary can join as an associate member of the lounge. I don't like the associate member program and I am going to try over the next two years to get it disbanded. It all came about because the last lounge manager that we had would let people in because the guy before him chased everyone away.