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« on: July 10, 2009, 01:41:37 PM »

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By Gregg Zoroya, USA TODAY

WASHINGTON — Pentagon health experts are urging Defense Secretary Robert Gates to ban the use of tobacco by troops and end its sale on military property, a change that could dramatically alter a culture intertwined with smoking.

Jack Smith, head of the Pentagon's office of clinical and program policy, says he will recommend that Gates adopt proposals by a federal study that cites rising tobacco use and higher costs for the Pentagon and Department of Veterans Affairs as reasons for the ban.

The study by the Institute of Medicine, requested by the VA and Pentagon, calls for a phased-in ban over a period of years, perhaps up to 20. "We'll certainly be taking that recommendation forward," Smith says.

A tobacco ban would confront a military culture, the report says, in which "the image of the battle-weary soldier in fatigues and helmet, fighting for his country, has frequently included his lit cigarette."

Also, the report said, troops worn out by repeated deployments often rely on cigarettes as a "stress reliever." The study found that tobacco use in the military increased after the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan began.

Pentagon spokeswoman Cynthia Smith said the department supports a smoke-free military "and believes it is achievable." She declined to elaborate on any possible ban.

One in three servicemembers use tobacco, the report says, compared with one in five adult Americans. The heaviest smokers are soldiers and Marines, who have done most of the fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan, the study says. About 37% of soldiers use tobacco and 36% of Marines. Combat veterans are 50% more likely to use tobacco than troops who haven't seen combat.

Tobacco use costs the Pentagon $846 million a year in medical care and lost productivity, says the report, which used older data. The Department of Veterans Affairs spends up to $6 billion in treatments for tobacco-related illnesses, says the study, which was released late last month.

Along with a phased-in ban, the report recommends requiring new officers and enlisted personnel to be tobacco-free, eliminating tobacco use on military installations, ships and aircraft, expanding treatment programs and eliminating the sale of tobacco on military property. "Any tobacco use while in uniform should be prohibited," the study says.

The military complicates attempts to curb tobacco use by subsidizing tobacco products for troops who buy them at base exchanges and commissaries, says Kenneth Kizer, a committee member and architect of California's anti-tobacco program.

Seventy percent of profits from tobacco sales — $88 million in 2005 — pays for recreation and family support programs, the study stays.

Strong leadership could make the military tobacco-free in five to 10 years, Kizer says. President Obama, he says, could set an example for the military by ending his own smoking habit once and for all. Last month, Obama said he is "95% cured" but "there are times when I mess up" and smoke.
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« Reply #1 on: July 10, 2009, 01:43:18 PM »

I don't see that happening.
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« Reply #2 on: July 10, 2009, 04:28:31 PM »

One of the most ridiculous proposals coming from our government and there have been a lot this year!!  I'm not a smoker and I am completely against this.  If you want to smoke, go for it.
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« Reply #3 on: July 10, 2009, 04:43:03 PM »

I'd like to think that "big army" is focused on more pressing issues...but America did vote for "change."  Wink

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« Reply #4 on: July 10, 2009, 07:51:44 PM »

What is wrong with those people?
There have been efforts to ban all kinds of vices. (alcohol, drugs, prostitutes) How about letting military members deciding for themselves what makes them happy?
What about "freedom"?
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« Reply #5 on: July 11, 2009, 08:13:09 AM »

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How about letting military members deciding for themselves what makes them happy?
What about "freedom"?
 
I will completely agree when I can't smell the smoke, the tobacco stink on people/clothes and see all the butts on the ground.  I am tired of all the smokers talking about 'freedom' and their rights but will completely ignore the 'rights'  of nonsmokers.  I don't participate in the VFW as much as I want because of the heavy smoking at the Post.
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« Reply #6 on: July 11, 2009, 09:01:18 AM »

Ya right.  Suppose the jet exhaust and burnt JP5 is OK, or the smoke from somebody’s wood stove is OK, or the dog crap on the sidewalks from ppl’s mutts is OK.  You can now get e-cigarettes.  http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124390176699074609.html No cigarette butts on the ground, no smoke smell to complain about, but “they” want them banned.  This is all about some ppl just love telling other ppl how to live period. Why the odd looks when ppl are vaping?   Because they want to tell the smoker to put out their cigarettes but there is no fire…haha kiss my….
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« Reply #7 on: July 11, 2009, 09:40:01 PM »

Zap44,
    A very good article.  Of course the feds want it stopped.  They do not want smoking stopped, too many taxes.  I would suggest that all of those that have commented one way or the other should read the article.  Looks to me like a win win for all.  Why would non smokers be against it?  Beyond me.
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« Reply #8 on: July 12, 2009, 01:51:12 AM »

If they want to make it a crime under the UCMJ and ban smoking, then all state employees and federal employees, including our politicians & the President, and their families (as they receive Govt Medical Care)  should also be subject to the same ban as the Natl Guard falls under the State and the other under the Federal Government.

The other legal items like alcohol, beer and wine will be outlawed too.

Just chip away at the Constitution and rights of AMericans.

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« Reply #9 on: July 12, 2009, 10:51:20 AM »

This is absolutely great, take the smokes (tobacco) from the troops and make marijuana legal.  Wow!!!  So no smoking for the combat troops so the dopeheads can smoke their weed.  Am I missing something here?

I am one of those smokers that keeps quiting.  Longest I've made it was about 4 months.  If the medical costs were so astronomical then why not have free nonsmoking patches, zyban and other usefull things to help stop smoking? 

As we all know there are several times where we hurried to be somewhere so we can wait for hours.  For the combat personnel, if a smoke helps keep your sanity then light up.  I agree with the earlier statement that the government needs to concentrate on more important issues than a GI taking a smoke break.  Once they fix more important issues to where they get all the way down to the smoking then it would be a great day for all.

This is not a thing of I don't like the person next to me at the VFW smoking. 
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« Reply #10 on: July 15, 2009, 10:13:52 PM »

War zone smoking will stay, Pentagon says
Stress relief too important, despite study calling for tobacco-free military
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31927697/ns/health-addictions

And they should offer these for those that want them
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« Reply #11 on: July 21, 2009, 10:44:45 AM »

Well fellow Comrades, the Pentagon announced it is not taking tobacco away from the Military.  Score another one for the Armed Forces freedoms.  Tobacco in my opinion is a choice and as long as there is respect towards the non-tobacco service members then let them have their tobacco.

Woohoo, light'em if you got em!
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« Reply #12 on: July 21, 2009, 10:53:55 AM »

I do agree that it is a person's right to decide to smoke or not. What I hate is the fact that a lot of smokers say that their rights are violated because they can't smoke. Smokers have violated the rights of non smokers for centuries. I also hate that it is near impossible to find a bar (at least in MI) where there is no smoking. I love the smokers response, "It is your choice to go to the bar. Don't go if you don't like the smoke." I used to smoke but I respected non-smokers.
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« Reply #13 on: August 01, 2009, 01:25:19 PM »

I am a smoker, I try to honour the free air rights of smokers when at all possible. When I went to basic in 1986, we were one of the first classes that were not able to smoke while in training. I still did, but it was cut down drastically. I do fill it is my right to smoke. I truly hate laws and rules that protect me from me. That is basic freedom. But I also respect the right to create laws that protect the common citizen from others stupidity. Here in Washington no public establishment can allow smoking. Even if they are a private club. I don't have issues with that. At my post they have not been able to smoke in there for like, three years. Still smells like smoke. I personnaly have never smoked in my house. Don't like the smell of it. So I don't like the smell of it when I go into a restaurant or bub. Just my twenty cents.
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« Reply #14 on: August 01, 2009, 03:48:21 PM »

How about a bill to ban all Washington politicians from smoking.
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