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Life Member gets the boot and possibly slandered at District meeting
dnkldorf:
So far this is what I have done.
(1) Wrote a letter to the District Commander asking him to secure all audio tape recordings of the meeting where the slanderous statements were made, and secure all video recordings that the Post Commander stated he had of an incident. Initial motion on the floor made by myself and seconded by the district adjutant, asking the district to investigate Post for unreasonable and illegal termination of Life Members rights and privileges at the Post.
(2) received no written reply. No incident report was initiated, and the District Adjutant doesn't understand why. No investigation was initiated by the district, even though this happened at a district meeting.
(3) waited 1 month or so, before contacting state adjutant. He asks for all letters from witnesses and tells me after review, the state asked the district to re-investigate.
(4) no response from district or state, written or verbal. No contact was made with any witnesses, myself, or even the district adjutant, by the District Commander.
(5) contacted state adjutant after a couple months by phone, he tells me he asked the State Surgeon to investigate. Again, neither myself, the witnesses to this matter who can prove the Post Commander lied maliciously about me, nor the district adjutant were ever contacted by anyone, who was "investigating" this matter. State Adjutant informs me that the State Surgeon investigated and concludes this action was personal between myself and the Post Commander. All this time, the district adjutant has the recording of the meeting and the comments and claims made by the Post commander that evening, and NO-ONE from the district or state, asked to hear it.
I need some advise from someone who knows the Manual inside and out. So far the National VFW has told me what he did was illegal and he had no authority.
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DoggyDaddy:
FACT - There is no statute of limitation on initiating disciplinary action in the VFW.
Do you have documentation from National VFW who told you what he did was illegal and that he had no authority?
Does National still recognize you as a VFW Member?
Did you receive letter of notice and submit an Appeal to disciplinary action against you.
Was District Judge Advocate involved?
Did you receive letter from State Adjutant of State Surgeons findings or verbal?
Is State refusing to initiate disciplinary action against Post Cmdr?
Can State justify how business and conduct and official VFW Meeting is personal between you and Commander?jQuery(document).ready(function($){jQuery(function(){jQuery("#msg_27979").css("min-height", "50px");jQuery("#msg_27979").hoverIntent(function(){jQuery("#msg_27979").css("overflow-y", "hidden");jQuery(".sharethis_27979").delay(100).fadeIn();},function(){jQuery(".sharethis_27979").delay(300).fadeOut();});});});Tweet
dnkldorf:
--- Quote from: DoggyDaddy on June 28, 2012, 09:31:03 am ---FACT - There is no statute of limitation on initiating disciplinary action in the VFW. [\quote]
Thanks for info, didn't know this.
--- Quote from: DoggyDaddy on June 28, 2012, 09:31:03 am ---
Do you have documentation from National VFW who told you what he did was illegal and that he had no authority?
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No documentation from them. I have documentation of what I sent to the person that handles disiplinary action for National. We diiscussed it on the phone, while he read it, and acknowleges recieving my request for the National to be the initiating officer for form DA-1.
--- Quote from: DoggyDaddy on June 28, 2012, 09:31:03 am ---Does National still recognize you as a VFW Member?
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Absolutely.
The VFW Post Commander gave me the boot out of the post and ordered me to transfer immediately for no reason one day, in front of a canteen full of members.
--- Quote from: DoggyDaddy on June 28, 2012, 09:31:03 am ---Did you receive letter of notice and submit an Appeal to disciplinary action against you.
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No this was verbal, and out of the blue. I transferred out of the post in Nov, and then I received a letter from the post in Dec 6, informing me that all my privileges to the post were terminated.
In fact, any member of the post who wants to rent out the hall for occasions, can't not, if I'm invited.
--- Quote from: DoggyDaddy on June 28, 2012, 09:31:03 am ---Was District Judge Advocate involved?
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No, only the district adjutant, who seconded the motion at the district meeting, and still has the voice recording of the meeting in which the Post Commander stood up and told lies about me.
--- Quote from: DoggyDaddy on June 28, 2012, 09:31:03 am ---Did you receive letter from State Adjutant of State Surgeons findings or verbal?
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No letters. In fact I had to call the state adjutant who told me verbally, this was a personal matter, not a state matter.
--- Quote from: DoggyDaddy on June 28, 2012, 09:31:03 am ---Is State refusing to initiate disciplinary action against Post Cmdr?
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As far as I can tell. All I want the state to do, is actually investigate the claim, reasonably. Contact the witnesses, listen to the tape, look at the witness statements, and come to a reasonable conclussion that the VFW Post XXXX Commander did in fact lie about me, and forced me out of the post, because of a personal vendetta he had against me.
--- Quote from: DoggyDaddy on June 28, 2012, 09:31:03 am ---Can State justify how business and conduct and official VFW Meeting is personal between you and Commander?
I have no clue how. I haven't visited the post for over 6 months. I walked in the door with friends, and within 2 minutes he ordered me to leave and never come back.
All this over a rumor he said he heard.
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Chris Weber 5468:
I would initiate a counter claim against the Commander and all who supports hi actions. He clearly violated several sections on the Procedure as specified in Article 9. Not having full details,I will not advise on which paragraphs fit, once you study the Article, you will find what fits.
Be sure to type in accordance to the templates all specifications you will be charging them with. As you will be charging a Commander, and evidently the existing clique, be sure to have as much solid documentation as possibly. Witness List, any writings, full statements, anything that will support your claims.
Be advised, it could backfire and you can be charged for the claim alone.
I recommend you get in contact with your Department Judge Advocate for assistance. Evidently, there is definitely Post and possibly District bias.jQuery(document).ready(function($){jQuery(function(){jQuery("#msg_27982").css("min-height", "50px");jQuery("#msg_27982").hoverIntent(function(){jQuery("#msg_27982").css("overflow-y", "hidden");jQuery(".sharethis_27982").delay(100).fadeIn();},function(){jQuery(".sharethis_27982").delay(300).fadeOut();});});});Tweet
dnkldorf:
--- Quote from: Chris Weber 5468 on June 28, 2012, 06:35:21 pm ---I would initiate a counter claim against the Commander and all who supports hi actions. He clearly violated several sections on the Procedure as specified in Article 9. Not having full details,I will not advise on which paragraphs fit, once you study the Article, you will find what fits.
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Chris, I did not initialy have acceess to the Manual, By-laws and Ritual. I now have the podium edition.
From what I gather from my limited knowlegde of this so far, is he committed offenses:
Section 902 (4)
Section 902 (12)- a couple times
Disregarded Section 901
and broke Rules of Order Section 1001 (6)
This is what I have requested that the district, state, and national, look into. The form DA-1 can not be initiated by a member, or the district adjutant or even the district commander. I don't see this under Section 903.
And What is a counter claim? I haven't read that in this manual.
--- Quote from: Chris Weber 5468 on June 28, 2012, 06:35:21 pm ---Be sure to type in accordance to the templates all specifications you will be charging them with. As you will be charging a Commander, and evidently the existing clique, be sure to have as much solid documentation as possibly. Witness List, any writings, full statements, anything that will support your claims.
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I have all the info, including a copy of the voice recording from the VFW meeting. The problem I had, have, and currently seek advice for, is these templates.
I am not the best letter writer in the world, and this hampers me. I wish the Manual had a template for the appeal process. I "heard", if these letters you must send, are not in the proper format and do not use the exact working they require, they will be tossed aside and deemed non-compliant. This is where I am at now, I think.
--- Quote from: Chris Weber 5468 on June 28, 2012, 06:35:21 pm ---Be advised, it could backfire and you can be charged for the claim alone.
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From who, the VFW?
What, will they take my card away for standing up against a bully?????? Then so be it.
--- Quote from: Chris Weber 5468 on June 28, 2012, 06:35:21 pm ---
I recommend you get in contact with your Department Judge Advocate for assistance. Evidently, there is definitely Post and possibly District bias.
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Why doesn't the State Adjutant/State Quartermaster walk down the hallway and give this to the DJA?
This makes no sense, to me.
FWIW, here is another wrench I have to deal with.
On Oct 16, Ordered me to transfer and never come back.
On Oct 19, was the district meeting.
On Nov 8, I transferred to another post.
On Dec 6, I received a letter from original post, terminating all privileges to the post, forever, for anything. I am not allowed there, as a guest, for any VFW related, or private function at the premises.
According to the State, On Nov 8, I lost all my rights to appealing the decision made by the post, because I transferred to another post, as ordered.
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